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Old 04-24-08, 12:00 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Re: Expelled!

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Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
The creator of the universe. The first cause. The prime mover.
The first cause is speculation. How can a cause exist outside of the universe?

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All matter and energy are subject to cause and effect. Matter and energy must also abide by the law of conservation. So, as matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed and are subject to cause and effect there must have been a first cause which created all matter and energy, and since such an action must have happened outside the bounds of physical law there must have been a prime mover which is not subject to physical law, i.e. God.
This is a presumptions and cannot be tested.

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But all the proof I really need is that I exist. And in case you were wondering, no, I'm not a Christian.
I recognize a deist when I meet one. Despite my respect for deism, it falls short. The proof that you exist is not proof enough. Did your deistic god purposefully hurl an asteroid into our Earth to create our Moon? Did this same god purposefully create the dinosaurs, then wipe them out to allow for the evolution of intelligent life?

We are nothing but "a mode of dust suspended by a sunbeam"--Sagan.
YouTube - Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot


*why does my link work in the edit screen, but not when I post?*

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