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Originally Posted by Lightdemon  After traveling miles of desert thru the danger of being attacked and robbed by the Pueblo Indians, are you willing to turn back to the road where you came from? Will you have enough supplies to last for the return trip? Will you be lucky enough to make another successful trip avoiding attack?? And even if you get back home, after wasting a large amount of your forture for that useless journey, how the hell are you and your family going to get back on your feet? |
Most Native American did NOT attack travelers. This is a misconception. In fact, most were extremely helpful. Also, the Peublo Indians were more peaceful than most. If you had said the Comanche, I would have agreed, they were tough bastards and didn't take lightly to trespassing, but they still rarely attacked random travelers without provocation.
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A trap. A traveler who is seeking a way to reap the benefits of his risk-taking is trapped. Taking risks is what business people do after all. The likely story is that this traveler have been saving up money, or using up his family fortune, for this entreprenurial journey. This was quite common during the expansion to the West during this time. But what do you do when a situation arises when you are faced with breaking the law and surviving? Again, I point out that there is a trap. Consistently, a trap precedes exploitation, which is oppression.
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What is amazing, is that you seem to be justifying future dissent by saying that since the people
tried so hard, they should just be given what they demand. That is not freedom. My friends family had to flee Afghanistan back in the 80's from the Russians... they traveled over mountains in the backs of jeeps, traveled in a camel caravan of all things for a month or something, then across the ocean in a steamer/cargo ship and more and they came here, worked hard. Got jobs. Somehow did all this legally. Managed to buy a car... go figure. And they live here now happily and they did all of this with no money, since in order to get it they would have all been captured and killed by the Russians. Interesting how some people figure it out and others complain and whine.
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Not only this, but a slave at that time, is almost like a car in today's world. Large plantations have many slaves, and thus they produce more and sell cheaper. For a small business owner, having slave is necessary for competition. It is a critical asset to your business. If you do not turn a profit, how are you goint to pay back the debt you took from the bank this year? Most farmers of the time, take out loans, and hope to God that they have a good year. Having a slave raises the likelyhood of you maintaining your farm, whether you needed more hands for crops or to look after your cattle. Slaves are a huge asset to success.
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Here we are debating the rights regarding rebellion of the poor white people who didn't get what they wanted after the illegally entered another country and what of the even poorer black slaves?
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Simarly if you don't have a car, the number of professions that are available to you are closed off. Such professions that require you to be available at weird/random/unconventional time schedules, such professions that require you to commute in unconventional/irregular distances or places, etc. A car is almost necessary for you to be able to compete in today's (labor) economy. Like the farmer without a slave, you are less competitive, and less likely to be able to suceed in life. Furthermore, if you are not allowed to drive a car, assuming illegal immigration issues, that further limits the number of proefessions you have to choose from. Particular limiting in the sense of lower wages. Again, a situation where success is less likely.
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There are these things called buses nowadays. Most big cities have them and they zig zag all around the streets. Why! All you need is a route map and a few bucks (or a cheap pass) and you can zoom around all year and save the environment too!
Besides.. the poor Mexican hardly needs a car to compete for a job in the stock room at Target or the kitchen doing dishes at Marie Calanders OR at a construction site. I have worked with many many MANY legal and ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants... a few hundred perhaps, and I have heard all the stories first hand and met families too, and they figure out how to make it work. It is the leaders that advocate more rights than they should be entitled to, the labor leaders that make fat bucks off of their poor oppressed people.
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To deny a person of either a car or a slave in thier respective era is a form of oppression. Is the oppression justifiable? That because they are illegal immigrants, that justifies them being oppressed? I don't know for you, but you can make that call for yourself.
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Neither are oppression in the slightest. I know lots of legal citizens that can't afford a car... what is more important? A LEGAL or an ILLEGAL being given things?
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But I don't get you Bodhi....I thought you said that defending Texas from Mexico was justified?? Doesn't that mean that Texas was being oppressed? I don't understand you. Was Texas being oppressed or not?
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I think that Texas wanting to rebel and the US backing them was NOT JUSTIFIED. I think that they are a bunch of greedy and whiney spoiled brats trying to make a gain off of the situation. The Texans were NOT oppressed, just as most ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants are not, and to demand rights such as they did, and are, is ludicrous.
