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Originally Posted by Bodhisattva  Being oppressed is to be robbed of life, liberty or property.
An extremely weak case could be made for slavery, but they entered into a foreign country with different laws, so it was their choice in the end.
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Alright...
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LEGAL Immigrants can drive cars
ILLEGAL Immigrants can not.
This is their argument then:
I can't drive because I am breaking the law and an ILLEGAL Immigrant, so I am being oppressed?
That is a weak argument.
Result: Not oppressed
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Employers that employ ILLEGAL Immigrants are guilty of breaking the law and are also morally bankrupt, much like... 
They should be punished accordingly and ILLEGALS can complain all they like, but I bet you money, since I have known many and they confirmed this, that their lives are STILL better than they were down south.
Result: Not oppressed
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So the Texans ILLEGALLY crossed the border, took advantage of the Mexican government, found free land as they wanted and waited until their numbers were high enough to fight the Mexican government for sovereignty? 
Result: Not oppressed
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Then what was the justification of defending Texas?? In the beginning you didn't even question whether or not there
was oppression. This was a given. Even in you're own words...
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The Mexican War can only be justified if the people of Texas felt that they were truly being oppressed and that our involvement liberated them from such.
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Did they feel oppressed at that time?? You betcha. I don't really think it matters whether you think it was oppression or not. Truth be told, social movements are activated by the way the people
feels toward a specific issue.
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Filling a need to not justify their greed to want more than they deserve or should have. We all work. All I know is that if we see a rebellion from ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants, there is gonna be a whole lotta dead ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants lying in the streets. Not a good plan for them to consider.
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In parallel, this could be the Mexican-American War. There are many dead Ameicans who illegally crossed those borders who rioted in Texas. It's still fits pretty well into the context of this discussion.
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Exploited is not oppressed.
Oppressed is to keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority
Exploited is to employ to the greatest possible advantage
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This is where we disagree then. Opression
is exploitation in my book.
Exploited is to employ to the greatest possible advantage
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When people are exploited, they can make a choice to leave.
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I think often employers exploit thier workers because they
know that they
cannot leave. This trap is how they exploit in the first place.
For instance, giving free land in Texas: You spend time, money, sweat, blood, and tears into the land which was given. Are you going to leave because the Mexican gov't changes it's mind? Change some laws that make your life horrid? Change the way you live? Change the way you survive?? I would think not.
The idea that you can just pick up your things and leave, to escape exploitation doesn't make sense to me. Because if you can do that, to me you're not really being exploited in the first place. Taken advantage of, probably, but not exploited.
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Neither call is or was justified and if the ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants called for one, or to those that have, they are greedy, selfish and corrupt people that are exploiting their own people instead of helping them.
Mexicans and such being here is fine and dandy, but their leaders must learn to work within the system rather that to try to usurp it.
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The Americans initially worked within the system too. They got shot down. Why? Because they were being exploited. There will be no sense in giving them what they want, if they are the people who we want to exploit. Kind of oxymoronic. It's kind of like saying, "let's exploit them and make them work! But let's pay them for it..."