| Re: Any truth to this e-mail I recieved? 2) Massive warrantless searches.
- Would love to know their definition of "massive", as well as "warrentless" as even most of the searches that certain groups are trying to classify as "warrentless" actually aren't, its just that the warrent can be obtained after the fact OR in certain circumstances you don't have to be notified till after its executed.
3) The president and other officials regularly lie to you.
- My god we've been ready for a police state for 200+ years
4) Fraudulent election counts.
- AKA Republicans Won
5) Government monitoring of letters, emails, phone calls and checking accounts.
- Was being done long before Bush
6) Secret courts.
- What secret courts? FISA that's been there since the 60's?
7) A government subservient to the interests of the country's largest corporations.
- Debatable. And even then, that's been debatable since the earliest of times.
8) Use of torture on prisoners.
- Which was also done at other times. My god we were ready for a police stat in WWII!
9) Courts that support presidential use of unconstitutional powers.
- Courts, finding something constitutional that isn't explicitely stated in the constitution or isn't agreed upon by the other side? That never happens....
10) Massive spying on citizens, especially those involved in political dissent.
- Once again, please define "Massive". Also exactly spying or political dissent they're speaking of. Oh, and also going on before Bush.
11) A government that uses words like democracy, freedom and peace while engaging in acts dramatically at odds with such words.
- Once again, this could be said for many many many presidents.
12) Government agencies or officials declaring themselves exempt from portions of the law or constitution.
- Presidential authority has been asserted a large number of times. Guess we've een ready for a facist state for ages.
13) Creation of watch lists, no-fly lists and similar exclusionary documents.
- Watch lists were had before in certain ways.
14) National ID cards.
- Which hasn't happened and there is one to a point...SSN anyone?
15) Growing number of citizens incarcerated for a growing number of offenses.
- O.o Our population has steadily increased and so has the amount in prison. That's, not unusual
16) Massive use of cameras to spy on citizens.
- What? Traffic Cams?
17) A media supportive of, or obsequious towards, the government in covering its police state activities.
- hahaha
18) Security bubble around government leaders' public appearances including pre selected audiences and limit on proximity of protests.
- Which is nothing new.
19) Disarming of citizenry.
- Yep, like taking away assu-....waiiiit.
20) Dissent characterized as disloyal by government and its supporting media.
- Which, despite what people try to say, has been a long used political tactic by both sides in different ways for years.
21) Increasing government control over private behavior.
- Which, once again, has been pushed by both sides for years unfortunantly.
22) Lack of legal recourse to stop illegal government actions.
- How so?
24) It is difficult to borrow books from libraries pertaining to controversial subjects such as fascism.
- Its "difficult"? How so? Besides that potentially your records could be requested if they wished. oooooo
25) Transfer of powers from legislatures to executive.
- What powers have gone from the legislature to the executive besides war powers that happened decades ago.
26) Assassinations of popular public figures.
- ?
27) Expansion of prisons and laws that lead people to prisons.
- laughable in regards to the first. The second is a general thing of most organized governments as new things pop up.
28) President claims right to make war whenever he wants.
- What? What war did he just claim he wanted and did?
29) Words misused to mean their opposite: i.e. peace for war, democracy for fascism.
- AKA we disagree with you so you must be meaning what we think
30) The president sets himself up as the sole moral authority for the entire country, using his personal beliefs as the basis on which to declare what is 'good' and what is 'evil.'
- Something often done by presidents in the past
31) Federal takeover of functions formerly considered essential state or local responsibilities such as state militias and public education.
- What state militias have been taken over? Agree with public education but not for hte reason this email is thinking
32) Creation of a mercenary military force used for foreign and domestic purposes.
- What "militia forces" does this person think the government created.
Wow, this entire thing is laughable. I'm amazed its not just in conspiracy theories.
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