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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002  Then a city would be majorly screwed more than likely. If we didn't detect them and their plan electronically, how would we find them? If we did detect it electronically, how wouldn't we find them? |
Yes, a bomb going off is a majorly screwed up situation. I am not sure why this scenario is so unplausable for you, perhaps this is your way of dodging the fact you are willing to have the bomb go off without waterboarding a terrorist who has the info on where and when it is going down? Would you feel differently if your family was in the building involved? Would you feel differently if it was your life involved?
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I didn't. I was at the Taste of Chicago in July, 2001. I asked the group I was with,"What keeps a plane from flying into Sears Tower?" They said, "That would never happen." I said, "Hijackers might do it." So yes, many doubted that it would happen. Regardless, who should we have waterboarded to prevent it from happening?
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We should have killed Osama Bin Laden when we had the chance, but Madeleine Notbright screwed it up by letting the Pakistanis know ahead of time we were about to bomb him who tipped off Bin Laden. Not to digress...
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Who should the Japanese waterboarded to prevent Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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We told them it was coming a few days before it happened. They refused to surrender.
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Would you support an Amendment tearing away another piece of the Constitution? I mean, if you support it for foreign terrorists, on principle, you would allow it to be done on our citizens as well. Correct?
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According to the Constitution the President is already responsible for military strategy. According to Federalist Paper 69:
"It would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces."
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Nice false dichotomy. Some of us remember what America used to stand for. Apparently you don't.
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From our Constitution:
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,
insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. "
From the Declaration of Independence:
" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "
I believe in a Creator and I LOVE MY COUNTRY. Can you say the same thing?
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In the aftermath of September 11, fewer than 100 terrorists have been held in the CIA's secret prisons, and fewer than one third of those have been subjected to what CIA Director Michael Hayden calls "special methods of interrogation," and what others called torture.
"The intelligence they produce is absolutely irreplaceable," Hayden said. "It's been crucial in giving us a better understanding of the enemy we face as well as leads on taking in taking other terrorists off the battlefield."
The CIA says it no longer uses waterboarding.
Cheney confirmed waterboarding was used to interrogate Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the senior Al Qaeda operative now being held in Guantanamo Bay, adding that the use of the technique was "a no-brainer."
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Waterboarding: Interrogation Or Torture?, Technique Dates Back To Spanish Inquisition And Has Been Used By World's Cruelest Regimes - CBS News